Mr. Liebeler.

time, and later got him another job with a contractor, W. H. Thompson, for whom he is, as far as I know, still working. And after things get quieted down, I fully intend to see what information I can get out of Duff, if you can depend on what he says, and if he knows anything, he has never told anybody up to this date.

Mr. Liebeler.

In fact, the inference to be drawn is that Duff is an extremely unreliable individual, so far as telling the truth?
General WALKER. I wouldn't believe anything the boy would say unless it was verified.
General WATTS. I did call Fort Sill and talk to the judge advocate, who raised considerable question as to the accuracy of the story Duff told me. And frankly, I wouldn't believe a word the boy would say unless. I have absolute verification of it. But I am at least suspicious that he knows something that he has never told.

Mr. Liebeler.

As far as the attempt on General Walker is concerned?
General WATTS. That is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, now, what makes you think that he does know-something about that?

Let me say this. Since this is almost a friendly, if I may say so, session, I assume that we can take it that the remarks that you are making will be under oath, is that correct? And you will swear to that?
General WATTS. Yes.
General WALKER. They should be identified as that of my attorney because they don't necessarily agree with my opinion.
General WATTS. My opinion and General Walker's don't frequently jibe.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let us swear you. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you have given and you will give throughout the rest of this deposition will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
General WATTS. I do.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, you indicated that you had some belief that Duff might know something about the attempt on General Walker that he hasn't told you. Do you have any basis for that?
General WATTS. My only basis is suspicion. First; his generally unreliable nature. Second; I have never fully satisfied myself as to the accuracy of the investigation these boys made where Duff undoubtedly had made some kind of an alarming statement to this unknown woman who called in. We have never been able to locate or identify her. I have never reconciled his tape recorder statement that he had not shot at Walker, but would do so for $5,000, with the apparent statement to this unidentified woman's daughter that he had actually fired at Walker. In other words, we could never verify that by our investigation.

Mr. Liebeler.

General Walker, were you satisfied, or did you reach a conclusion as a result of these investigations or any other way, as to Duff's involvement in the attack made on you on April 10. Do you think he knows anything about it that he hasn't told us, or .do you think he was involved in it in any way? Do you have any evidence to indicate that he was?
General WALKER. I also know that I wouldn't believe 90 percent of what Duff said about anything. I have come to no conclusion even after the investigation that he was even involved. Knowing Duff; I felt that if the investigators were a little bit naive, they got tricked more than Duff got tricked.

Mr. Liebeler.

But these investigators weren't able to develop anything that led you to think that Duff had been involved in the attack on you made on April 10, 1963, isn't that right?
General WALKER. It led me to believe what?

Mr. Liebeler.

That Duff had been involved in the attack on you.
General WALKER. According to his fantastic stories, it might lead to the belief that he had been involved, like my attorney says, but Duff is so fantastic that I don't believe a word he says.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any evidence other than the statement that Duff is alleged to have made to his girl friend that would indicate that he was involved in the attack on you? Do you have any indication that he was involved in it at all?
General WALKER. None; other than, as I remember what he has stated, and there is something else. And based on Duff's nature.