She was actually taking things out of the closet when they came. It took a long time to be sure of that, but I am certain of that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you discussed this with your sister, Annie?

Mrs. Odio.

We had to, yes, sir; and she was convinced it was in late September. Because she had not come the previous week. For 2 weeks, she had not come, but had come the last week to help me pack and move.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have a lease on your apartment, at the Crestwood Apartments?

Mrs. Odio.

No; they don't take you by lease. You give a deposit, and you lose it if you move before 6 months.

Mr. Liebeler.

Had you lived at the Crestwood Apartments 6 months?

Mrs. Odio.

No. I have told you I moved several times, and it is because of reasons of my work, and because my children at the time were in Puerto Rico, I and I went down to get them in Puerto Rico June 29th.
That was exactly the day that I saw Ray again. We had been trying to establish a contact in Dallas with Mr. Johnny Martin, who is from Uruguay. He is from there, and he had heard that I was involved in this movement. And he said that he had a lot of contacts in Latin America to buy arms, particularly in Brazil, and that if he were in contact with one of our chief leaders of the underground, he would be able to sell him second-hand arms that we could use in our revolution.
I don't know if this is legal or illegal, I have no idea. But when he mentioned this fact, I jumped at the possibility that something could be done, because you kind of get desperate when you see your father and mother in prison, and you want to do something for them. So I called Eugenio long distance from Dallas.

Mr. Liebeler.

When was that, approximately? Shortly after you came back from Puerto Rico?

Mrs. Odio.

I think I can give you the exact date. This was before I left for Puerto Rico. June 28, Eugenio arrived from Miami to see Johnny Martin.

Mr. Liebeler.

So you say that on June 28 Eugenio arrived from Miami, is that correct?

Mrs. Odio.

He was supposed to have arrived June 14, but he never did, and I called-two times to make another appointment with Johnny, and he just arrived in time for me to see him. Then it was a time when we met, not Alentado, the other one, Alvareda--Rodriguez Alvareda.
So they went to my house. Now, I was living at the time at 6140 Oram Street, the day they arrived. But when I went back to Puerto Rico, the same day, June 29, I saw Ray, and I explained to him what Johnny Martin here in Dallas was up to, and then he said that he was planning a trip also to see if something could be worked out. Mr. Ray himself was planning a trip in connection with that. He was going to Washington to be interviewed by some high official.

Mr. Liebeler.

But he was going to come by Dallas first?

Mrs. Odio.

Yes. So I went to Ponce, Puerto Rico, to get my children, which were four of them, and I brought them back to Dallas. And this is when I moved to Magellan Circle to a bigger apartment, to the Crestwood Apartments.

Mr. Liebeler.

You moved there, after you came back from Puerto Rico with your children?

Mrs. Odio.

I moved there exactly the end of July, the end of the month, because I know when I moved, and then it was in August--let's see, I lived there July, August, and to the last day of September in this Magellan Circle, and then I moved to Oak Cliff.

Mr. Liebeler.

You actually did meet with Eugenio here in Dallas before you went to Puerto Rico?

Mrs. Odio.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Eugenio come to Dallas at any other time after that to meet you?

Mrs. Odio.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

How many times have you met-with Eugenio here in Dallas?

Mrs. Odio.

Once.

Mr. Liebeler.

That was in June of 1963?

Mrs. Odio.

That's right.