Mr. Liebeler.

Now before you ran into Clay Bertrand in the street on this day, did you have a notion in your mind what he looked like?

Mr. Andrews.

I had seen him before one time to recognize him.

Mr. Liebeler.

When you saw him that day, he appeared to you as he had before when you recognized him?

Mr. Andrews.

He hasn't changed any appearance, I don't think. Maybe a little fatter, maybe a little skinnier.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now I have a rather lengthy report of an interview that Mr. Kennedy had with you on December 5, 1963, in which he reports you as stating that you had a mental picture of Clay Bertrand as being approximately 6 feet 1 inch to 6 feet 2 inches in height, brown hair, and well dressed.

Mr. Andrews.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now this description is different, at least in terms of height of the man, than the one you have just given us of Clay Bertrand.

Mr. Andrews.

But, you know, I don't play Boy Scouts and measure them. I have only seen this fellow twice in my life. I don't think there is that much in the description. There may be some to some artist, but to me, there isn't that much difference. Might be for you all.

Mr. Liebeler.

I think you said he was 5 feet 8 inches before.

Mr. Andrews.

Well, I can't give you any better because this time I was looking for the fellow, he was sitting down. I am just estimating. You meet a guy 2 years ago, you meet him, period.

Mr. Liebeler.

Which time was he sitting down?

Mr. Andrews.

He was standing up first time.

Mr. Liebeler.

I thought you met him on the street the second time when you---

Mr. Andrews.

No, he was in a barroom.

Mr. Liebeler.

He was sitting in a bar when you saw him 6 weeks ago?

Mr. Andrews.

A table at the right-hand side. I go there every now and then spooking for him.

Mr. Liebeler.

What's the name of the bar you saw him in that day, do you remember?

Mr. Andrews.

Cosimo's, used to be. Little freaky joint.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, now, if you didn't see him standing up on that day--

Mr. Andrews.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

So that you didn't have any basis on which to change your mental picture of this man in regard to his height from the first one that you had?

Mr. Andrews.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

I am at a loss to understand why you told Agent Kennedy on December 5 that he was 6 feet 1 to 6 feet 2 and now you have told us that he was 5 feet 8 when at no time did you see the man standing up.

Mr. Andrews.

Because, I guess, the first time--and I am guessing now--

Mr. Liebeler.

Is this fellow a homosexual, do you say?

Mr. Andrews.

Bisexual. What they call a swinging cat.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you haven't seen him at any time since that day?

Mr. Andrews.

I haven't seen him since.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now have you had your office searched for any records relating to Clay Bertrand?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you found anything?

Mr. Andrews.

No; nothing.

Mr. Liebeler.

Has this fellow Bertrand sent you business in the past?

Mr. Andrews.

Prior to--I guess the last time would be February of 1963.

Mr. Liebeler.

And mostly he refers, I think you said, these gay kids, is that right?

Mr. Andrews.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

In discussing this matter with your private detective, Mr. Davis, and Miss Springer, your secretary, have you asked them whether or not they have any recollection of ever having seen Oswald in the office?

Mr. Andrews.

Davis does; Springer doesn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Davis does have a recollection?