Mr. Jenner.

But it is now your definite recollection that he did stay in Dallas?

Mrs. Gibson.

Well, I know that--

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me . after he became employed at Jaggars?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; I will tell you why. Because he told us that he goes by bus Friday night or something to Fort Worth and he'd come back Sunday evening. So it would be my normal assumption, I would say, that he was staying in Dallas at the time.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you and your father had some difficulty, some spats between the two of you along about this time?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; we had been spatting all our life.

Mr. Jenner.

I mean were you on speaking terms?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; I'd say so.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall at least one occasion when you picked up Oswald in front of the YMCA?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; I don't.

Mr. Jenner.

That your husband Gary would go over and pick him up?

Mrs. Gibson.

I guess so.

Mr. Jenner.

Bring him to your apartment?

Mrs. Gibson.

I guess so, or he'd walk. I don't know. I don't believe Gary picked him up there. I believe he walked or took the bus.

Mr. Jenner.

What do you recall with respect to Lee's habits of temperance or intemperance, drinking?

Mrs. Gibson.

I never saw him take a drink.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he smoke?

Mrs. Gibson.

I don't think he did.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Marina smoke?

Mrs. Gibson.

On the sly.

Mr. Jenner.

Why?

Mrs. Gibson.

Because he objected to smoking, as I recall. He did. He didn't like to see her smoke, and he didn't like to see her wear any makeup.

Mr. Jenner.

Did any discussions respecting that occur at your home?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; she told me this. Don't ask me how. We just got it across to each other, you know.

Mr. Jenner.

How did she communicate with you?

Mrs. Gibson.

Well, when two people get together, if you try hard enough you will get your idea across. If you have a dictionary and two hands, you will get the idea across, and that is how we managed to, you know, get Our ideas fairly well across most of the time. But we didn't make too great an attempt at speaking because it was so much effort. But I do know this about makeup and smoking.

Mr. Jenner.

Were there arguments between them on the subject?

Mrs. Gibson.

Oh, I'd say maybe small ones. He didn't like her to wear lipstick and she liked to, things like that. She did like to smoke.

Mr. Jenner.

What about his reading habits?

Mrs. Gibson.

He read a lot.

Mr. Jenner.

How do you know that?

Mrs. Gibson.

My father had given him books to read. He was very much interested in them.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he have them with him at times when he was at your place?

Mrs. Gibbons.

One book I think he gave me that my father had asked him to give me or I gave him that my father had asked him to give me, one way or the other, it was called "Animal Farm."

Mr. Jenner.

What is that book about?

Mrs. Gibson.

It is a satire, I guess. It is about animals, but it is a takeoff on people. Orwell--did he write it?

Mr. Jenner.

I think so. What is your recollection as to whether you gave Oswald that book to read or whether your father gave it to him to read?

Mrs. Gibson.

One way or the other it got to me. Either my father gave it to me to read and I gave it to Lee or he gave it to Lee to read and then Lee gave it to me. It was one way or the other.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you remember any other books?