Mr. Glover.

Now I am not sure that I can say that he said exactly these words himself, or whether this was repeated to me after by Schmidt or Pierce or Mrs. Paine or someone, but as I say, I pay less attention to what a person says in detail than to the overall impression of what their style is; but I do remember specifically that he or someone else present said he was a Marxist--

Mr. Jenner.

What impression did you have of the distinction, if any, between Marxism and Communism?

Mr. Glover.

Well, with reference specifically to the so-called Communist regime, the impression I got was that he was a Marxist theoretically, but he did not like what he saw in Russia. He didn't like it and came back, but apparently this did not satisfy him.

Mr. Jenner.

He had theories, but what he saw in Russia didn't measure up to those theories?

Mr. Glover.

Apparently so.

Mr. Jenner.

His so-called ideals?

Mr. Glover.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

In any event, he had--what he had come back to here in America didn't measure up to what he----

Mr. Glover.

Apparently. He said so.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you put that in your own words. What did he say on this occasion?

Mr. Glover.

Again I have to qualify this. Maybe it is one of the impressions I got from other people talking afterwards, but I feel he said that he did not think that the Russian system measured up at all to his idea of what the society should be like, and obviously he didn't think the American system measured up or he wouldn't have gone there in the first place, and I am sure he said he did not think the American system measured up to his ideals.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there any discussion about his life or their life in Russia?

Mr. Glover.

Yes; there was considerable.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us about that.

Mr. Glover.

Well, the thing I remember was that he was working in some kind of a trade. I don't remember what trade he was working at. And I don't remember really too many strong impressions.
The strong impression I got of things that he talked about were the--was the fact that his wife was not treated very well in Russia after she married him. She was apparently looked down on. This was the impression I had from listening to Oswald, either Oswald or conversation with his wife.

Mr. Jenner.

That occurred at this meeting at your house?

Mr. Glover.

I believe so, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

By the way, how did you get the Oswalds there? Did you call them directly, or did you have somebody intervene for you? How was that arranged?

Mr. Glover.

I talked with the De Mohrenschildts as to where they lived. By this time he was living in Dallas. He had gotten a job in Dallas and they were living in Dallas.

Mr. Jenner.

Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall?

Mr. Glover.

I don't know the name of the company, but I asked them (De Mohrenschildts) about where he lived, and they gave me his telephone number at the place where he worked. I still have his telephone number and I called him and asked him if he would come over to the house to meet some people, some such words as that, and he said, he would. I believe he gave me the address. It might have been the De Mohrenschildts who gave me the address originally. I have that address and had it on a slip of paper in my purse, and when I was about to throw away the slip of paper on which I accumulated a lot of addresses, I copied it down in my address book. I just in--I just had a feeling I ought to record this.

Mr. Jenner.

He lived on Elsbeth Street?

Mr. Glover.

He lived on Elsbeth, that's right. The only thing I remember about the place at work was that I think he worked in the photographic department of some, apparently something to do with a printing plant. Then I called him and I asked him if he would come over, and he didn't have any transportation, and I offered to come over and pick him up. My wife remembers that I