cup of his hand, like this, is a picture. And the two corners are torn off the picture. This is a very glossy black and white picture of a man's face and shoulder.
Now, Mr. Odum wasn't too tall. I need somebody else. Mr. Odum's hand with the picture-- what I am trying to say--he is facing this way--showing me. So my eyes are looking straight at the picture. And I have nothing else to see but this hand and the picture, because the door is ajar. And there is nothing on the picture but a face and shoulders. There is no background or anything. So I can identify this picture amongst millions of pictures, I am so sure of it. It was a glossy black and white picture. So I said, "No, sir, believe me. I have never seen this picture in my life."
With that, he went off.
There was another man with him.
About an hour later the telephone rang, and it was Mrs. Paine. She said, "Mrs. Oswald, Lee called and he was very upset because Marina was not with me, and he asked me to get a lawyer for him, a Mr. Abt. I would like to talk to Marina."
So I put Marina on the telephone, and Marina said about two or three words.
So when she got off the telephone, I said,--Now, Marina talks in Russian, gentlemen. I said, "Marina, Mrs. Paine told me that Lee called and you were not home at Mrs. Paine, and Lee tells Mrs. Paine to get a lawyer."
Marina didn't answer.
And I then sensed--well, now, why isn't she answering me? This is very peculiar.
And there was no more said about that conversation.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you ask her about this lawyer?

Mrs. Oswald.

Ask Marina?

Mr. Rankin.

Yes.

Mrs. Oswald.

No, sir. There was no more said about this conversation.

Mr. Rankin.

You didn't say anything about Mr. Abt to her then?

Mrs. Oswald.

No, sir. But here is the point to this whole thing.
The FBI agent would have to know where we were, and Mrs. Paine would have to know where we were, because of these two Life representatives, who, I am assuming, probably went back to Mrs. Paine's home in order to get more information. And she they would have told her where we were, because no one knew where we were. This girl and I had no protection or anything. We were sent out there with this Mr. Allen Grant, the representative. And no one knew who we were. And Mr. Hart Odum would have to know where we were through Mrs. Paine, which is a normal procedure, let's say. He might have gone to Mrs. Paine's home looking for Marina there, and Mrs. Paine might have told him we were at the Executive Inn. I will grant that.
But the point I am going to make is that the picture was tried to be shown to Marina before the telephone conversation.
Now, if there are any questions why I say that, I would be happy to answer.

Mr. Rankin.

Yes--why do you say that?

Mrs. Oswald.

Because they wanted Marina----

Mr. Dulles.

Could we get what picture this is? Is that the picture held in the hand?

Mrs. Oswald.

Yes, sir--the picture that is held in the hand, that the FBI agent, Mr. Hart Odum showed me.

Mr. Rankin.

I understand you didn't recognize who the picture was at all.

Mrs. Oswald.

No. I told Mr. Hart Odum I had never seen the man before, "Believe me, sir," and he left.
So the picture was shown--was tried--had tried to be shown to my daughter-in-law, but they were not successful.
So then they received--Marina receives a telephone call.
Now, I am under the impression, since I know it was Mr. Jack Ruby's picture I saw--at the time I didn't.

Mr. Rankin.

How do you know that?

Mrs. Oswald.

Because I have seen his picture in the paper. Now I know it is Mr. Jack Ruby.
I am under the impression that Marina was threatened----

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