if somebody did that to me, a lousy trick like that, to take my wife away, and all the furniture, I would be mad as hell, too. I am surprised that he didn't do something worse.
I would not do it to anybody else. I just didn't consider him a dangerous person. I would not do it to somebody else.
Well, anyway, later on--this is from hearsay again, now---Marina moved to Declan Ford's house, because I think the Mellers got tired of her, and then she moved eventually to somebody else's house the name you mentioned here before a Russian girl who married an American--Thomas something.

Mr. Jenner.

Ray?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Ray. She moved to Ray's house, and then----

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me. You took her to the Mellers?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And she went from the Mellers to the Halls?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That I do not remember any more. I do not recall that. I thought she moved from the Mellers to Mrs. Ford, and from Mrs. Ford to the house of the Rays.
What I recall now is that she had moved before to Mrs. Hall's house.

Mr. Jenner.

You learned that she had already been at Mrs. Hall's home?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Something like that is in my mind--that she had already tried to go away from Lee, and stayed with Mrs. Hall. But I am not 100 percent sure.
I know that for the second time she was at Mrs. Hall's house, a little bit later.

Mr. Jenner.

What was your understanding of the difficulties they were having?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Why was he physically beating her?
The difficulties were this: She was---just incompatibility. They were annoying each other, and she was all the time annoying him. Having had many wives, I could see his point of view. She was annoying him all the time "Why don't you make some money?", why don't they have a car, why don't they have more dresses, look at everybody else living so well, and they are just miserable flunkeys. She was annoying him all the time. Poor guy was going out of his mind.

Mr. Jenner.

And you and your wife were aware of this, were you?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And had discussed it
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. We told her she should not annoy him--poor guy, he is doing his best,. "Don't annoy him so much." And I think I mentioned before one annoying thing. She openly said he didn't see her physically--right in front of him. She said, "He sleeps with me just once a month, and I never get any satisfaction out of it." A rather crude and completely straightforward thing to say in front of relative strangers, as we were.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I didn't blame Lee for giving her a good whack on the eye. Once it was all right. But he also exaggerated. I think the discussions were purely on that basis--purely on a material basis, and on a sexual basis, those two things--which are pretty important.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; they are.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. In politics they agreed more or less. She they were both somewhat dissatisfied with life in Soviet Russia. I had that impression. They wanted a richer life. And as far as I remember, it was Marina who convinced Oswald to leave Soviet Russia, and go back to the United States.

Mr. Jenner.

You have a definite----
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I have a definite recollection of that. I do not recall in exact words how it was said. But either one of them told me that---that it was Marina who wanted to come to the States, and made him go to the---back to the United States Embassy, and ask for his passport. And I remember very distinctly what he told me, that he illegally took a train from Minsk to Moscow, because being a foreigner, he was not supposed to leave town without notifying the police. He did that illegally, and went to Moscow, and presented himself at the United States Embassy.

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