Mr. Stern.

By the time of your last contact with him, a little after 12 that night, was he still in possession of his--have all his wits about him?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Would you still describe him the way you did before?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; he was still alert---quick.

Mr. Stern.

Calm?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Could you describe the conditions in the corridor and other areas around Captain Fritz' office and the room in which the interrogations were taking place? During the day Friday and Saturday.

Mr. Sims.

Well, of course, our office--Captain Fritz' office was crowded.

Mr. Stern.

With officials?

Mr. Sims.

Official FBI, Secret Service, and Government officials and city officials--Texas Rangers and State officials.

Mr. Stern.

Was this making interrogation more difficult?

Mr. Sims.

Well, I don't know if it would or not. A number was in Captain Fritz' office during the interrogation--I believe during all of the interrogations.

Mr. Stern.

Were the interrogations conducted so that one person asked all the questions, or were several people asking questions during the course of the same interrogation?

Mr. Sims.

Several people conducted the interrogation. Of course, there wasn't two or three speaking at one time--one of them would speak to him and more or less ask him questions.

Mr. Stern.

How about the conditions outside the offices, in the corridor, as to people who were not officials?

Mr. Sims.

Well, it was a problem getting through. It was crowded.

Mr. Stern.

Because of the----

Mr. Sims.

Photographers and newsmen.

Mr. Sims.

Were there television cameras in the corridor at that time?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Stern.

Do you know when they were brought in, were you present when they were installed?

Mr. Sims.

No; I don't know when they were installed.

Mr. Stern.

As I understand it, you had to bring Oswald through part of this crowd of newspapermen to get him to the interrogation room, when you brought him to and from?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; the interrogation room was all in room 317, but when we would have to go through the crowd would be to take him to a showup, and the next day when we would bring him from the jail to Captain Fritz' office, it would be a matter of 20 or 30 feet there in the hall.

Mr. Stern.

And in the course of those trips through the crowd, would people try to ask him questions?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Stern.

And tried to get him to make statements on the microphone?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; they would.

Mr. Stern.

Would he respond--do you recall ever?

Mr. Sims.

Sometimes he would and sometimes he wouldn't.

Mr. Stern.

Did this have any effect on him, did it seem to irritate him in any way, or did he also take this calmly?

Mr. Sims.

Well, I didn't notice anything different.

Mr. Stern.

No noticeable difference?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Would you describe his demeanor on Saturday as being the same as it was on Friday, was he still calm and in complete self-control?

Mr. Sims.

I was not around him a lot Saturday, I don't believe, but he still was calm and alert and everything.

Mr. Stern.

How about his demeanor at the press conference Friday night when he was taken down to the showup room to meet the press?

Mr. Sims.

Well, he was--during the press interview---he was pretty snappy. He made some quick answers---I don't know what all it involved he denied knowledge of the President's assassination, I believe, and he denied knowledge of killing Officer Tippit.