Mr. Ball.

And who took part in that showup?

Mr. Boyd.

You mean the officers?

Mr. Ball.

No; who were the parties in the showup?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, the first one was Richard Walter Borchgardt, and No. 2 was Lee Harvey Oswald, and No. 3 was---I have the wrong name in here---I have the last name I just asked him his name as he came out in the showup room there and I understood him to say it was Braswell but it was Brazel.

Mr. Ball.

Brazell--how do you spell that?

Mr. Boyd.

[Spelling.] Brazel. B-r-a-z-e-l.

Mr. Ball.

What is his full name?

Mr. Boyd.

Ellis Carl Brazel.

Mr. Ball.

He was the third man?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Who was the fourth man?

Mr. Boyd.

Don Ables was the fourth.

Mr. Ball.

Was there some reason why you changed the parties to the showup?

Mr. Boyd.

I don't know any reason.

Mr. Ball.

Who directed that?

Mr. Boyd.

I don't know--we met them down in the jail office and they had those three men down there.

Mr. Ball.

What is the usual thing--when you are going to have a showup and you are in charge of investigation, who picks the people who appear in the showup?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, most of the time we call down to the jail office and have them send us down---if he's already in jail, we just have them send up there and get him and just how many we want in the showup and we will tell them to give us this particular one or three or four men--whatever the case may be.

Mr. Ball.

Who picks them?

Mr. Boyd.

The jailers upstairs.

Mr. Ball.

Do you tell them to get them all the same color?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes, sir; we always tell them to get them all the same color. I never have had too much trouble getting them all the same color.

Mr. Ball.

What about the size and weight?

Mr. Boyd.

Now, we always tell them to get them as near the same size and age and weight as they can. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.

Mr. Ball.

In this case you didn't pick the men for the showup?

Mr. Boyd.

I didn't know them--no, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Or any of the showups?

Mr. Boyd.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, this third showup took place at what time?

Mr. Boyd.

We left the office at 7:40 and it takes, like I say, 2 or 3 minutes to get downstairs, and we got him back--we left down there to go back up at 7:55.

Mr. Ball.

Who conducted the questioning on this third showup which you attended?

Mr. Boyd.

I don't recall who did.

Mr. Ball.

What about Oswald's manner in the third showup?

Mr. Boyd.

I don't recall him being any different in that showup than the first two.

Mr. Ball.

What about the appearance of the men in this showup--let's take the No. I man--what was his coloring and weight and size?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, let's see---this is that Richard Walter Borchgardt. He was born May 30, 1940, and our records show him to be 5' 9", and 161 pounds.

Mr. Ball.

That's [spelling] B-o-r-c-h-g-a-r-d-t?

Mr. Boyd.

That's [spelling] B-o-r-c-h-g-a-r-d-t.

Mr. Ball.

161 pounds?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes, sir; he had brown hair and blue eyes and fair complexion.

Mr. Ball.

What was he in for, do you know?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes, he was in for CPW and investigation of burglary and theft.

Mr. Ball.

Then, the second man was who?

Mr. Boyd.

Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. Ball.

And the third man--was who?