Dr. SHIRES. Subsequently, Clinical Instructor in Surgery, University of Texas, Southwestern Medical School, progressing through Assistant Professor of Surgery, Associate Professor of Surgery, Professor of Surgery, and Chairman of the Department of Surgery.

Mr. Specter.

What was your year of graduation from college, Dr. Shires?
Dr. SHIRES. This was premedical, and at that time the war was on, so it was a premedical 3 years---it was 1944.

Mr. Specter.

And what year did you receive your medical degree?
Dr. SHIRES. 1948.

Mr. Specter.

Are you Board certified at the present time?
Dr. SHIRES. Yes.

Mr. Specter.

And, in what year were you so certified?
Dr. SHIRES. I was certified by the American Board of Surgery in 1956.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you have occasion to render any medical treatment for President Kennedy back on November 22, 1963?
Dr. SHIRES. No; I was not in town at the time the shooting occurred. I was in Galveston, Tex., at the meeting of the Western Surgical Association.

Mr. Specter.

Did you have occasion to render medical attention and services to Governor Connally, Dr. Shires?
Dr. SHIRES. Yes.

Mr. SPECTER. Will you state briefly the circumstances under which you were called into this case?
Dr. SHIRES. After the President and the Governor were brought to Parkland Hospital, it was determined-well-all aid was given to the President that was available, and it was determined that Governor Connally's injuries were multiple, the primary injury to Governor Connally was to the chest.
Dr. Shaw, who is the professor of surgery---I don't need to tell their titles---- you will have all that?

Mr. Specter.

Yes---correct.

Dr. SHIRES. Dr. Shaw ascertained the condition of Governor Connally, instituted therapy, and had the hospital notify me in Galveston of the status of the President and also the Governor.

Mr. Specter.

Were you able to return then to Dallas in time to assist in the operative procedures on Governor Connally?
Dr. SHIRES. Yes.

Mr. Specter.

And at approximately what time did you return to Dallas?
Dr. SHIRES. Approximately 3 pm.

Mr. SPECTER. And what participation did you have in the operative procedures on Governor Connally?
Dr. SHIRES. At the time I returned, the chest procedure was in progress. The orthopedic procedure on the arm and the leg debridement were ready to be started. I scrubbed and performed the leg procedure.

Mr. Specter.

What did you observe, if anything, as to the condition of Governor Connally's chest wound?

Dr. SHIRES. At the time I arrived, the chest wound had been debrided and was being closed. His general condition at that point was very good. He was receiving blood and the arm and leg wounds were being prepared for surgery.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you have any opportunity to observe the wound on his back?
Dr. SHIRES. Not at that time.

Mr. Specter.

Did you have any opportunity to observe a wound on his chest?
Dr. SHIRES. Once again, not at that time later, but not at that time.

Mr. Specter.

Well, what did you observe at a later time concerning the wound on his back and on his chest?

Dr. SHIRES. Well, in part of his postoperative care, which was a large part of the treatment, we were concerned, of course, with all the wounds. and he had several chest wounds. These, at the time I saw them, had been debrided and were the site of draining, so that their initial appearance was completely altered by having had surgical debridement, so they were clean postsurgical wounds with drainage, at the time I first saw them.