Do you know at approximately what time this procedure was started?
Dr. SHAW. I will have to refresh my memory again from the record. We had at the time I testified before, we had the

Mr. Specter.

Permit me to make available to you a copy of the Parkland Memorial Hospital operative record and let me ask you, first of all, if you can identify these two pages on an exhibit heretofore marked as Commission Exhibit 392 as to whether or not this constitutes your report?
Dr. SHAW. Yes; this is a transcription of my dictated report of the operation.

Mr. Specter.

Are the facts set forth therein true and correct?
Dr. SHAW. Yes. On this it states that the operation itself was begun at 1300 hours or 1 o'clock, 1 p.m., and that the actual surgery started at 1335 or 1:35 p.m.
The operation was concluded by me at 3--1520 which would be 3:20 p.m.

Mr. Specter.

You have described, in a general way, the chest wound. What other wounds, if any, was Governor Connally suffering from at the time you saw him?
Dr. SHAW. I will describe then the wound of the wrist which was obvious. He had a wound of the lower right forearm that I did not accurately examine because I had already talked to Dr. Gregory while I was scrubbing for the operation, told him that this wound would need his attention as soon as we were able to get the chest in a satisfactory condition. There was also, I was told, I didn't see the wound, on the thigh, I was told that there was a small wound on the thigh which I saw later.

Mr. Specter.

When did you first have an opportunity then to examine Governor Connally's wound on the posterior aspect of his chest?
Dr. SHAW. After the Governor had been anesthetized. As soon as he was asleep so we could manipulate him--before that time it was necessary for an endotracheal tube to be in place so his respirations could be controlled before we felt we could roll him over and accurately examine the wound entrance. We knew this was the wound exit.

Mr. Specter.

This [indicating an area below the right nipple on the body]?
Dr. SHAW. Yes.

Mr. Dulles.

How did you know it was a wound exit.
Dr. SHAW. By the fact of its size, the ragged edges of the wound. This wound was covered by a dressing which could not be removed until the Governor was anesthetized.

Mr. Specter.

Indicating this wound, the wound on the Governor's chest?
Dr. SHAW. Yes; the front part.

Mr. Specter.

Will you describe in as much detail as you can the wound on the posterior side of the Governor's chest?
Dr. SHAW. This was a small wound approximately a centimeter and a half in its greatest diameter. It was roughly elliptical. It was just medial to the axilliary fold or the crease of the armpit, but we could tell that this wound, the depth of the wound, had not penetrated the shoulder blade.

Mr. Specter.

What were the characteristics, if any, which indicated to you that it was a wound of entrance then?
Dr. SHAW. Its small size, and the rather clean cut edges of the wound as compared to the usual more ragged wound of exit.

Mr. Specter.

Now, I hand you a diagram which is a body diagram on Commission Exhibit No. 679, and ask you if, on the back portion of the figure, that accurately depicts the point of entry into Governor Connally's back?
Dr. SHAW. Yes. The depiction of the point of entry, I feel is quite accurate.

Mr. Specter.

Now, with respect to the front side of the body, is the point of exit accurately shown on the diagram?
Dr. SHAW. The point is----

Mr. Specter.

We have heretofore, may the record show the deposition covered much the same ground with Dr. Shaw, but the diagrams used now are new diagrams which will have to be remarked in accordance with your recollection.
Dr. SHAW. Yes. Because I would have to place they are showing here the angle.

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