Mr. Hubert.

In the angle?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us what happened as to seeing Jack Ruby on that occasion.

Mr. Johnson.

Standby One [holding up hand].

Mr. Hubert.

Sir; we can't do that. It must go on the record anyhow. If there is anything that is bothering you--

Mr. Johnson.

This has nothing to do with it, or maybe it does. OK; fine. On a day which I cannot remember, there was published in the Dallas Morning News a full-page ad signed by some man's name. Whose name, I cannot remember. An open letter to the President. Mr. HUBERT. All right.

Mr. Johnson.

In which that full-page ad said 11 things, answers for us, or words to that effect.

Mr. Hubert.

Was the name Bernard Weissman, as you remember?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir; that is it.

Mr. Hubert.

That was the ad you were talking about?

Mr. Johnson.

That is the ad I was talking about.

Mr. Hubert.

Now go ahead.

Mr. Johnson.

All right As we sat there having a sandwich and a beer, a dentist from upstairs came walking through and stopped behind us. There were four or five of us, Charlie Busby--well, I have mentioned the names. And he heard us talking.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know the name of the dentist?

Mr. Johnson.

At the moment; no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You do know he was a dentist, though?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir; I will tell you why in a minute. As we sat talking about the ad that had appeared in the paper, the subsequent assassination of the President the day before, and that sort of thing, the dentist came he may have been a technician--I think he is a dentist--I am positive he is a dentist, but-anyway, he came walking through and stopped and stood behind us and overheard the conversation, and he said, "Hey, I know what you fellows are talking about." And reached up in his smock pocket and pulled out a piece of paper and handed it .to me.
I was sitting in the middle of the conversation, so he handed it to me. I unfolded it and discovered it that it was the full-page ad that we were discussing, so I spread it out pretty neatly on the top of the bar as we sat there eating a sandwich and drinking a beer. While we were sitting discussing the ad and its merits and what would happen to it, and who the fellow was that had run the ad, I then heard somebody over my right shoulder say, "Jesus Christ, I have just been down to the Dallas Morning News office and there is no such bastard involved. There is no address in Dallas, and ain't no such person"

Mr. Hubert.

Who made that statement?

Mr. Johnson.

At that moment, I did not know. And looked around over my shoulder and saw a man standing there.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was that man?

Mr. Johnson.

That man was the man whom I recognized later by photographs and personal appearance as Jack Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not recognize him on that occasion as Jack Ruby?
Mr. JOHNSON, Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You recognized him then from the previous time you had seen him?
M.r. JOHNSON. Yes

Mr. Hubert.

So that your recognition of him was not based on subsequent pictures you saw of him?

Mr. Johnson.

No; I saw him then. I wasn't real positive. I was not real positive that it was he. The reason for it being that when I had seen him before, he did not wear spectacles. When I saw him then, he did have on hornrim glasses.

Mr. Hubert.

Did anybody else in your group seem to know him?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Who?