Mr. Hubert.

Is that the same assignment that you had during the Period of November 22 and 24, 1963?
Sergeant MAXEY. Yes, sir. I was acting lieutenant on that particular day. Number 16.

Mr. Hubert.

What does that mean, "Number 16"?
Sergeant MAXEY. That is the call from the northeast substation.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any particular orders or functions with respect to the transfer of Oswald to the county jail?
Sergeant MAXEY. No, sir; not before I arrived at the central station.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you arrive there ?
Sergeant MAXEY. Somewhere in the vicinity of 11 a.m. I am not positive of the exact time.

Mr. Hubert.

What sort of an automobile were you driving then ?
Sergeant MAXEY. A plain car, black 1963 model Ford.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say, unmarked?
Sergeant MAXEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Where were you coming from ?
Sergeant MAXEY. Northeast substation.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you been ordered in?
Sergeant MAXEY. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you come to get there then ?
Sergeant MAXEY. I had some cards to be taken to 511, where there were requests for off-duty employment, overtime work and I thought perhaps I might be able to assist them. I knew they were going to need all the help they could get down there that day.

Mr. Hubert.

You had not been ordered down there?
Sergeant MAXEY. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do with your car ?
Sergeant MAXEY. I parked it on the north end of the garage.

Mr. Hubert.

Then what did you do?
Sergeant MAXEY. I approached Putnam. They were dispersing some traffic officers or some officers who worked traffic. They weren't in the traffic division, they were patrol officers, and asked him at this time if there was anything I could do, and he said, that if I would wait a few minutes I could probably go hop in Sergeant Dean's station wagon. I--he didn't elaborate, and I stayed there in the basement there for a few minutes. I don't know exactly how long and Lieutenant Pierce came down and Sergeant Putnam spoke to me, and said, "Why don't you go with us?" And I approached Lieutenant Pierce's car and he was in this--he was in his car at this time and asked him if he wanted me to go with him and he said, "Yes."

Mr. Hubert.

You were in uniform, I take it?
Sergeant MAXEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

So, what happened?
Sergeant MAXEY. So, I got into the back sent of Lieutenant Pierce's car- We started to drive out and Sergeant Putnam had to move some reporters back.

Mr. Hubert.

How many were there?
Sergeant MAXEY. I would say in the vicinity of 35. That is a guess, of course, I have no way of knowing.

Mr. Hubert.

That is the Main Street ramp?
Sergeant MAXEY. At the that was at the bottom of both ramps, down right outside the jail door, and part of the people were blocking the Main Street ramp where we were going to make a turn and go out.

Mr. Hubert.

So, he cleared them out and the car followed behind him?
Sergeant MAXEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what time it was, about, when he left?
Sergeant MAXEY. Well, now, at that time, I wasn't noticing the time, but since all this happened----

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I don't want you to state what knowledge you have gained since, because we can get at that other ways.
Sergeant MAXEY. Well, at that time I thought I had been in the basement approximately 10 or 15 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you got there at 11 o'clock ?