Mr. Griffin.

Did you--you expected that Oswald would be moved fairly soon ?

Mr. Beaty.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you received some word before that ?

Mr. Beaty.

Everybody in the world, at 10 o'clock. They said in the newspaper and radio.

Mr. Griffin.

By this time when the boys in your group went out for coffee, had there been any instructions to standby? Mr. BEATY. None.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you later receive some instructions to standby to help in the Oswald move?

Mr. Beaty.

AS Capt. O. A. Jones got off the elevator, and as he walked by, he said, "Come here, I want to talk to you."

Mr. Griffin.

Did this take place in the basement?

Mr. Beaty.

Right by the elevator door to the basement. He said there will be some officers come down from the third floor, and told me to wait for them right here, and he indicated close by the entrance to the jail office.

Mr. Griffin.

Now Detective Beaty, what is your best estimate of how long this encounter with Jones was before Oswald actually came downstairs?

Mr. Beaty.

What time did he get shot? It was about probably 30 minutes before he actually came down and Ruby shot him.

Mr. Griffin.

That is the important thing. I would rather have you fix it in terms of that time rather than some specific time.

Mr. Beaty.

Around 30 minutes or something like this.

Mr. Griffin.

Because I noticed in the interview which you gave to the FBI, you indicated that this was about 10 o'clock that you saw Jones. Did you have any idea at the time when you gave this interview to Agents Dallman and Quigley--that was on December 3--did you have anything specific in mind when you told them that it was 10 o'clock.

Mr. Beaty.

I just was trying to remember when Captain Jones told me to remain there. No; I was just trying to remember about the lapse of time, it seemed to me like.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you to look over this with me. Let me point out, you indicated here that you thought Oswald came down about 11:30?

Mr. Beaty.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, they have reported that you told them that it was 10 o'clock. Now it may be that that was that time it could be a mistake on their part writing it down?

Mr. Beaty.

Well, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Go ahead.

Mr. Beaty.

Boy, it is hard to remember, but it seems to me like he breezed through in just probably about 30 minutes- -could possibly be longer--after Mr. Jones told me this. I waited around for probably another 4 or 5 minutes and the elevator doors opened up, and here all the officers from the third floor, and we moved from there out into the middle hallway. And they describe it here as a, whatever, I don't know, right outside the Jail office door, the little hall where they brought him out of the jail office door there, and we remained there for about 30 minutes. And if the shooting actually occurred around 11:30, I have made an error about the original time Captain Jones said that.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you want to take my pen and on this statement would you want to put a circle around the 10 o'clock and make some note out on the side that what you meant was 30 minutes before the shooting, or whatever you think was the accurate time?

Mr. Beaty.

Gosh, I don't remember. I just can't remember to save my life what time it was.

Mr. Griffin.

How is your memory as to the fact that it was about 30 minutes before the shooting?

Mr. Beaty.

Thirty minutes, may be an hour. That times passes so fast along in there.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you think it could have been longer than an hour ?

Mr. Beaty.

I don't think so; no, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Would it be fair to say, and I want you to be very frank about