Mr. Ryder.

Irving High School; actually, I went all the way through the Irving public school system.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you graduated from the Irving Public High School?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did you graduate from high school?

Mr. Ryder.

1957.

Mr. Liebeler.

How long have you been working for the Irving Sports Shop?

Mr. Ryder.

Five years be close enough; it's a little less than 5, but 5 covers it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you married?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have children?

Mr. Ryder.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

How long have you been married?

Mr. Ryder.

Five years.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you been in the military service?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

What branch were you in?

Mr. Ryder.

Went in the National Guard. 49th Armored Division which I am still an active member.

Mr. Liebeler.

Of the National Guard?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you serve on active duty with the U.S. Army?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

For 2 years?

Mr. Ryder.

No; actually it was, let's see, I guess you say it was 15 months. 16, something like that. In other words, while I was on 6 months training, they activated the 49th Armored Division and I was called in to stay 9 extra months on active duty.

Mr. Liebeler.

Where were you stationed while on active duty?

Mr. Ryder.

Fort Leonard Wood, Fort Knox for advanced individual training, and Fort Polk, La., with the 49th.

Mr. Liebeler.

What kind of training did you receive?

Mr. Ryder.

Armored tank training.

Mr. Liebeler.

You served as a tanker at Fort Polk?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

What is your rank in the National Guard?

Mr. Ryder.

Now?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mr. Ryder.

Sergeant.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was it at the time you went into active duty?

Mr. Ryder.

It was June 11 in 1960 when I reported to Fort Leonard Wood.

Mr. Liebeler.

June what? What was your rank when you went on active duty?

Mr. Ryder.

I was just an E-2.

Mr. Liebeler.

E-2?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes; or private beginner--actually, I had 3 months actually, National Guard work which waives your time for E-2, three months' period. Of course, there isn't much difference in pay rate.

Mr. Liebeler.

It appears that there was a newspaper story that appeared in the Dallas Times Herald on November 28, 1963, and apparently a version of that story was carried in the New York Times on November 29, 1963, which mentions you. Do you recall being interviewed by a reporter from a Dallas newspaper?

Mr. Ryder.

After the story was out; yes--before, no.

Mr. Liebeler.

What do you mean by that?

Mr. Ryder.

Well, the deal is the story came out on Thanksgiving and early that morning the telephone rang- I would say roughly 7:30 or 8, something like that--and I answered the phone and a guy introduced himself and I told him I didn't have any comment and hung up.

Mr. Liebeler.

This was a newspaperman?

Mr. Ryder.

To tell you the truth, I didn't pay that much attention. I was half asleep because it was a day off. I was going to get some of that extra dozing time, you know, and I just told him I didn't have any comment and hung the