Mr. Slack.

what I mean. But I really notice things about rifles like a jewelry man or a lady would about the setting of a ring. I wouldn't know--but I know rifles.

Mr. Liebeler.

But this was the same general type of rifle as the one you saw that had been sporterized and had the wood cut off?

Mr. Slack.

This is a magazine. You recognize one of them a mile off.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me show you some pictures of a man or some men that have been previously marked Commission Exhibits 451 and 453 through 456. I want to ask you if this looks like either one of the men that you saw at the rifle range on the 17th of November?

Mr. Slack.

The Jacket was the first thing I remembered. When they described the jacket in the paper before I even looked at the fellow, because the man pulled a jacket off and put it on top of a load of sand you used it for a pad to shoot from----

Mr. Liebeler.

Is that the guy you saw?. Does anyone in. those-pictures look like him?

Mr. Slack.

Those heavy eyebrows and that part in the hair, but apparently he had more hair. Maybe he got a haircut afterwards.

Mr. Liebeler.

Who had more hair, the fellow?

Mr. Slack.

The picture. The man I saw in this picture right here.

Mr. Liebeler.

The man you saw had more hair?
Mr, SLACK. Yes; he sure did.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you think that any of these pictures are a picture of the man that you saw at the rifle range that day?

Mr. Slack.

The difference in position he was in and everything, that looked like him, but he wasn't that sleepy-eyed. He was a cocky guy.

Mr. Liebeler.

Referring to Exhibit 453?

Mr. Slack.

When he looked at me. I don't see how in the World he could ever get a pleasant look on his face like this picture here. Probably he could, but----

Mr. Liebeler.

You think that the picture 456 looks a little more pleasant than the fellow you remember seeing at the rifle range, is that right?

Mr. Slack.

He sure does.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me show you another picture, Mr. Slack, that has been previously marked as Pizzo's 453-C, and ask you if that looks like the fellow you saw at the rifle range?

Mr. Slack.

That is him. I would know that baby face and that chin, and he had a--I remember people, but no names.

Mr. Liebeler.

What about the hair?

Mr. Slack.

That is the man I saw at the rifle range.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are sure about that?

Mr. Slack.

I know it is. In other words, just like if I saw you tomorrow. Because his eyes were deep like a man that was, that wears highly magnified glasses and then doesn't have his glasses on. -And he had that deep--that is the man we saw out there. That is the man. And I would remember him 20 years from now, just over that one incident.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you seen that guy's picture in-the paper?

Mr. Slack.

But he don't have a good he didn't have a very good likeness of him, like the paper pictures. That was him as I saw him at the rifle range, and as I saw him I second before. No, one-tenth of a second before he was shot. That is the time.

Mr. Liebeler.

You mean on television?

Mr. Slack.

On television. And I saw when they were transferring him even before that. And I told Lucille, I told my wife, wait a minute, I've got to see the side of his face.

Mr. Liebeler.

Could you recognize the side of his face?

Mr. Slack.

But not positive enough until I got. to see him at the time he was shot. You see, you read the papers and you get to where you imagine things and you find yourself imagining that you saw somebody, and I never had anything that made me as sick for 3 days. Absolutely made me sick of stretching-my brain of trying to figure out what contact we had had with the guy.

Mr. Liebeler.

Here is another picture. Take a look at that and see if you can recognize anybody in that picture?